It still seems better to try to turn one canopy sharply to break the downplane towards a side by side. Your link has been automatically embedded. If you ever see CRW Dawgs releasing from them, the canopies can't fly apart fast enough. But I might be wrong. Landing a Down Plane is a life altering incident. It was a good downplane, but I do think 39th jump is a bit early to be doing one, although his mentor obiviously(hopefully) had a bit of CRW experience. By Upload or insert images from URL. Downplanes are a situation to be avoided. Your previous content has been restored. I call BS on that one. Visit Today! This incident was a combination of a low pull and a high AR2 fire (which were VERY common early on). But to combine the two? This configuration would suggest a cutaway. This can be done by: © Copyright 2001-2003 by ParachuteHistory.com, P a r a
When she couldn't undo the twists, she grabbed a toggle with her free hand and just PULLED, thereby inducing the downplane (this is all on video). There are several skydiving disciplines that happen under canopy including Canopy Formation. She also said she was never taught how to deal with a 2out. you are talking "2out", we are talking downplane (miroir). (tbrown). What altitude is "too late to cutaway from a downplane"? Sounds like the guy did pretty much nothing right (except walk away). I can say that the camera guy ( loaded at 1.3?) There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. Landing a Down Plane is a life altering incident. My computer beat me at chess, It was no match for me at kickboxing.... You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Landing a downplane will usually result in severe injuries or death. I call BS on that one. The descent rate under a downplane is very high. JohnnyMarko, April 21, 2012 in General Skydiving Discussions, Hi Bob
There is always someone that will come up with something different especially with Utube and canopies & women. Share the best GIFs now >>> I have video somewhere of one of my former SL students (a fitness instructor so quite healthy and limber) inducing and then landing a downplane. This is one of those ones that doesn't need armchair quarterbacking - particularly when the video was posted here to deliberately get a rise. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. . The FF2 is a main-mounted AAD. She maintained she was unable to cuyaway because her right arm was stuck, so she just pulled silver. She was in full-on defensive mode at that time, saing she should never have been allowed to freefall, she also said she was never taught how to exit properly or get stable (I gave her the FJC, she did well enough for at least 5 jumps to be allowed to freefall, and her first freefall briefing was done by the chief instructor). Don't get me wrong - I can absolutely see it going down like this - I see jumpers do the wrong thing every day. Take the 4 toggles and pull them. Have you ever done a Mr. Bill? From looking at the video, we concluded the main opened with one riser around her arm. r/SkyDiving: A subreddit for those interested in Skydiving and BASE jumping. What are my options if I ever end up in a two out, downplane configuration? The most common ways jumpers end up in this dreaded scenario are: pulling the main when the AAD fires This is just awesome. Granted, those are just recommendations and not BSRs what not, but so are jump numbers for cameras and wingsuits. You cannot paste images directly. P.S. I would defer to people with more knowledge than I, but why would you add a chaotic event ( canopy stall) to an unstable environment? c h u t e
", "That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport.". We Got it! Mark Gregory and I do a downplane. She ended up with a busted hip. It looks a lot like San Marcos, Texas. the main was flying stable enough surprisingly, I would have left well enough alone myself. By But I might be wrong. Pasted as rich text. Doing a Mr. Bill can be a good time. JAVELIN ODYSSEY J3K / SABRE 2 (170) / PD160 - ONLY 160 JUMPS !!!!!!! Can you land a two_out in down_plane configuration safely? would you send them to him with 39 jumps and on their first CRW jump for such a thing? Posted by 8 days ago. The most common ways jumpers end up in this dreaded scenario are: A study done by Performance Designs showed that downplanes happened when the main bag tumbled while deploying, creating line twists on the main. Display as a link instead, × PD-Rs, Tempos, Ravens! For your story to make sense, he must have fallen through FF2 firing altitude, the main became "mostly" inflated, and then he manually fired his reserve without pulling the cutaway pillow. Take the 4 toggles and pull them. ALL sizes from 120 to 250 sq ft, GREAT condition, LOW cost world air-shipping, BEST DEAL !!! Barring a broken closing loop, the only way his reserve came out is if he pulled the reserve handle himself. I think the video is on my computer at the DZ. Take a look in your FFP manuals. I think that if I ended up in a downplane so stupid low I couldn't cutaway, I would try to do a deep flare on one of the canopies to drag plane the other. Eleven people are dead after a small plane crashed near an airfield in Hawaii and erupted into flames, authorities said. it would make the trailing edges go together, and have your canopies act as a big "round". The main would usually still have line twists in the side by side. ... Let's talk about two out - downplane. Your link has been automatically embedded. She opened her main after the briefed 10 second delay, while still stable on her back. Jumpers exit the aircraft, deploy their parachutes and create formations by docking on … "For you see, an airplane is an airplane. Afterwards, she refused to go to the hospital right away, said her hip was just sore. She later said, Hey Saskia you told me to leave a side-by-side pretty much alone or else it might downplane, turns out you were right! If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Wouldn't the stalled canopy run the risk of entanglement with the flying canopy? × Can you land a two_out in down_plane configuration safely? If I ever find myself in a two out down plane, I'll be better equipped to deal with it because I've been there, done that. format, February 4, 2013 in Safety and Training. Oh we had a guy crash/landing a downplane a couple of years ago. Even if you are in full control as the mentor and the event goes off smoothly, what are you also teaching that guy about what he can and can't do? Ouch! I'm with Top on this one. ( I don't ). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPfNp8vbEo&feature=related The comments on utube are what they are, for someone with 39 jumps, this seems to me to have stupid written all over it. In terms of CRW this seems like a high break off for him If I was going to send anyone to a mentor to get Downplane training I would have them find Catfish since he has about the most experience anywhere on downplanes. The point of the story was that we were fascinated to see this guy get up and walk away from it. scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM. Down Plane A downplane occurs when two ramair parachutes are inflated simultaneously and both fly towards the ground. Skydiving Videos Epic Mr. Bill + Downplane Stunt. Close. Blazin’ Downplane! There is no replacement for experience. ・・・ ParaGear.com - You Want it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPfNp8vbEo&feature=related
The comments on utube are what they are, this seems to me to have stupid written all over it, Hi Bob
There is always someone that will come up with something different especially with Utube and canopies & women. a proper downplane is the most stable configuration. You can post now and register later. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. The descent rate wasn't too crazy. Clear editor. (NO DAA). As the reserve was launching, the main finished doing its thing, so there was no longer sufficient speed for the reserve to finish its deployment (until 800 feet). Copyright Dropzone.com 2020 None........500 ft to the ground....feet locked together....who will let go first....now at 250 ft......I hope you let go................is that in the new guy's mind ? Like any discipline, CRW introduces a lot of new variables, both in equipment and procedures, as well as the ability to stay cool under sometimes extreme stress, so this was probably not the best example to be setting for a low time jumper, and other low time jumpers watching....pushing the envelope is not a practise they should take on board as something that is OK.
His screams showed he was fully amping out at that point, had he ended up a tad lower and downwind it might not have been so good. I suspect that that descent rate would be slower than a drag plane. As stated up thread, get some CRW experience!!! You'll learn/experience how to move canopies around from bi-plane to side-by-side, side-by-side to down plane, and you can even work from down plane to side-by side. And here's a "lots of dollars" question:
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